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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215590553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215590553">(Nov 04 2020 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2943">@T-infra</span> T-10min!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215591804" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215591804">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>o/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215591854" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215591854">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215591961" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215591961">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2943">@T-infra</span> meeting time!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592279" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592279">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, let's start!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592325" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592325">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>the first nominated issue is <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/27694">#27694</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592341" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592341">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
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<p>macOS packages and Windows MSIs are not signed</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592442" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592442">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is nominated because <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="215333">@Florian Gilcher</span> asked whether infra wants to prioritize fixing it now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592512" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592512">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, a throwback.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592549" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592549">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I thought we had decided to wait until we have ability to make these contracts and such from Rust hands?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592588" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592588">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and promote-release puts us closer, right?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592709" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592709">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, we definitely need to wait until the foundation is in place to actually get certificates</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592713" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592713">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Cause it's always been about the key management (technical and business)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592950">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think promote-release puts us really close to solve it on the technical side, at least for windows</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215592990" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215592990">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>macOS is going to be a pain as usual</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215593086" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215593086">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think this is a priority, but I was not inclined personally to drive resources specifically to it unless we can finish, if that makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215593206" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215593206">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>on the key management thing, the foundation will make it hopefully trivial</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215593207" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215593207">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>o/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215593546" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215593546">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>on the technical side the new promote-release will definitely make things easier:</p>
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<li>windows signing should be as simple as the current gpg signing, since mono has its own signing binary that works on linux too</li>
<li>for macOS it's still tricky as notarization+codesign only work on macOS -- no clear idea on what's the best way to solve this tho, maybe an http server we host on macstadium or something?</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215593651" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215593651">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>and we can change <code>promote-release</code> to do both rustc and rustup releases fairly easily, which should bring the same signatures for it for free too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215593653" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215593653">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>The reason I wanted it nominated is twofold: a) there's a lingering complaint from an antivirus company since April and b) it's unchanged and low-prio'ed since 2015, with always some technical obstacle that someone doesn't want to work on. It's been discussed the last 2 all-hands, even with a promise from infra to work on it _soon_. The issue is a huge pain for users entering the Rust space. I'm okay with it being roadmapped initially.</p>



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<p>IMO, given foundation money for the certs (and potentially paying for the mac to sign things on) we will complete this quite quickly; I'd be willing to invest time etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215593937" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215593937">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> do you think it makes sense to try and get the infra up now so we can move quicker later? Or is it hard to test this without the certificates in hand?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594072" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594072">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we can definitely use self-signed certs on promote-release's local environment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594084" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594084">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>for windows</p>



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<p>ok, that makes sense to me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594172" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594172">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>and we can also switch rustup releases to go through promote-release ahead of time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594177" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594177">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wasn't certain if self-signed certs as something we start using (and then replace with officially signed ones) would work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594200" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594200">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, I wouldn't turn it on in production</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594230" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594230">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>but only have it on in local and CI</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594249">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>sure, I mean that I didn't know self-signed certs were something that was available at all</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594280" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594280">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I probably forgot)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594302" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594302">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>But yes I think we should do that then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594307" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594307">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>If that's a problem, acquiring a cert for testing isn't super hard.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594339" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594339">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/84847/how-do-i-create-a-self-signed-certificate-for-code-signing-on-windows">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/84847/how-do-i-create-a-self-signed-certificate-for-code-signing-on-windows</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594386" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594386">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can help probably on the mac side, I have one and I've done some signing before to get gdb working so presumably it's similar to that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594399" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Florian Gilcher <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594399">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Like, I offered to pay for the certs out of my own pocket in that ticket, I'm happy to do that for just testing - not for production, to be clear ;))</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594493" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594493">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> maybe let's have a separate chat/call to brainstorm the design of this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594546" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594546">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I have opinions<span aria-label="tm" class="emoji emoji-2122" role="img" title="tm">:tm:</span>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594569" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594569">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594599" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594599">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, assigning P-medium so we can check on it every month</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594604" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594604">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>you can schedule that :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594614" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594614">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll do!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594643" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594643">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll also update the issue after the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594688" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594688">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>there are only P-medium issues left to look at</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594726" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594726">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>wasm emscripten tests for std/alloc/core/etc not running <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/75633">#75633</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594750" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594750">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>still no assignee</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594919" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594919">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyone up for it?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594952" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594952">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215594953" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215594953">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595141" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595141">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Part of me wants to say that if it has been idle for so long, maybe it should not be a tier 2 target. But that's a separate discussion).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595228" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595228">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's kinda true, but also, we shouldn't run tests for it in theory</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595403" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595403">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok then!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595429">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>next issue,  Cargotest enhancements <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/70659">#70659</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595453" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595453">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is waiting on <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="225192">@Nell Shamrell-Harrington</span> iirc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595525" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595525">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595527" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595527">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595627">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>Run 32bit test suite on PR CI? <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/69823">#69823</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595699" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595699">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>this was stuck without activity for a while, do we want to P-low it?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595734" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595734">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's waiting on an llvm bump iirc</p>



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<p>P-low seems appropriate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595781" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595781">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595782" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595782">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595892" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595892">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>Re-enable LLVM and debug assertions for slow builders <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59637">#59637</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215595959" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215595959">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think this was on you <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596024" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596024">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I've been distracted and forgot about the PRs waiting on me as an author</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596048" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596048">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>need to find time for them, hopefully I can eke that out this week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596178" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596178">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="tada" class="emoji emoji-1f389" role="img" title="tada">:tada:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596211" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596211">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's it for the nominated issues!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596248" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596248">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>moving onto the actual agenda</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596268" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596268">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:27)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Broken nightly</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596320" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596320">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/78732">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/78732</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596362" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596362">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>this was due to the new smoke test support in promote-release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596455" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596455">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>and it was fixed by <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/promote-release/pull/28">https://github.com/rust-lang/promote-release/pull/28</a> -- I started a dev-static nightly release, and it successfully passed the smoke test (it's still running tho)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596515">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>do we want to issue a new nightly right now, or just skip today?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596568" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596568">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>personally, I think it's late enough in the day that releasing now doesn't make much sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596631" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596631">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd just skip</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596830" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596830">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596896" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596896">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh hai</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596944">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>It's nightly; IMO missing one is fine.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215596966" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215596966">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="thumbs up" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="thumbs up">:thumbs_up:</span> then!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597096" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597096">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>next item is, "Development platform Tier 2 dist-i686-freebsd is in a weird state"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597175" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597175">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically we produced <code>i686-unknown-freebsd</code> since forever, but we never included it in the manifests so rustup users weren't able to install it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597198" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597198">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>and nobody ever complained as far as I'm aware</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597256" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597256">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I reached out to the freebsd maintainers, and they aren't using the prebuilt tarballs either</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597319" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597319">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like it's possible to just stop producing full host toolchains for that target</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597349" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597349">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>what do y'all think?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597455" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597455">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>Seems reasonable. Let it idle for "a while" and see if anyone actually complains</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597550" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597550">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>so stop uploading the tarballs and then eventually remove the builder?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597682" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597682">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah (or disable the builder if reverting shouldn't be painful)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597772" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597772">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>reverting the disabled builder could be painful if regressions are introduced</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215597863" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215597863">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't recall failures</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598030" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598030">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>fair</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598074" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598074">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>we can also manually stop copying the tarballs, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598104" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598104">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's the next agenda item <span aria-label="sweat smile" class="emoji emoji-1f605" role="img" title="sweat smile">:sweat_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598114" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598114">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I wouldn't honestly spend too much time on it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598167">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems reasonable to just disable the builder</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598176">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or parts of it anyway)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598193" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598193">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>but if you don't recall failures we can just remove the builder</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598213" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598213">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>which would free a bit of CI capacity</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598279" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598279">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598282" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598282">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598441" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598441">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok then! next agenda item</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598538" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598538">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is more of a general update on the progress of my promote-release changes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598605" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598605">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>one new thing that landed is smoke tests: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/promote-release/issues/23">https://github.com/rust-lang/promote-release/issues/23</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598655" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598655">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically, before uploading the release to users we'll try to install the release with rustup, and abort the release process if that fails</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598687" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598687">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>which should be a safeguard against <code>build-manifest</code> producing invalid manifests</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598777" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598777">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm so I do wonder, one thing we could do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598812" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598812">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>is try to backtrack to find <em>something</em> to release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598826" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598826">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>(obviously stopping at the previous release)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598871" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598871">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it's probably not worth the engineering effort</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598921" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598921">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>also I think I prefer knowing of the breakage and fix it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598954" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598954">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>sure, but that's a separate thing I think (alerting)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598977" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598977">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215598996" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215598996">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="shrug" class="emoji emoji-1f937" role="img" title="shrug">:shrug:</span> I don't feel strongly for sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599235" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599235">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll also open a PR to remove the legacy code from <code>build-manifest</code> on rustc master</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599332" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599332">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>and <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/promote-release/pull/27">https://github.com/rust-lang/promote-release/pull/27</a> is open to start experimenting with recompression (which should save more than half of our artifact storage costs)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599347" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599347">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>(a review on that would be appreciated!)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599472" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599472">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>me and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> also agreed to try and run the 1.48 stable release with the new <code>promote-release</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599482" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599482">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can review that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599515">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>which brings me to the next item on promote-release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599546" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599546">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>should we turn off RCS, without deleting the instance?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599664" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599664">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>atm the server is doing basically nothing, as no release is happening on it, bors is on ECS and cancelbot is useless thanks to GHA</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599665">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>nothing is on it anymore?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599740" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599740">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>what I'd do is keep the server around but powered off, in case we need to run the stable release on it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599752" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599752">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>the only concern is if that releases an IP that we want</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599815" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599815">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think shutting it down should be fine then, but we should double-check that we can restart it for sure (e.g., AWS won't happily delete our disks)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599821" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599821">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's an elastic IP, so no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215599956" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215599956">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>a while ago I also did a sweep of all the issues on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-central-station/issues">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-central-station/issues</a>, moving all the ones related to bors in the homu repo and all the ones related to promote-release in the promote-release repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600007" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600007">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>so we'll eventually be able to archive that repo too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600091" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600091">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>finally, the last item is pruning unused release files</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600095" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600095">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/promote-release/issues/23#issuecomment-719712533">https://github.com/rust-lang/promote-release/issues/23#issuecomment-719712533</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600184" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600184">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically, we are shipping files that are not installable through rustup nor useful outside of it, and I implemented some code to remove them before uploading the release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600217" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600217">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>in that link there is a report of what would change if we were to turn it on in production</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600238" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600238">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span> do you have any concern on turning it on?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600260">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>My main concern is it makes it more painful to track these artifacts down for stable releases</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600278" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jake Goulding <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600278">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>🟧 The miri component was removed.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>That's a temporary thing, yeah?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600289" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600289">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>but ultimately that's minor, and not really important</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600467" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600467">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116155">@Jake Goulding</span> yeah, it was because miri was excluded from that release due to failing its tests</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600587" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600587">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> which artifacts are you concerned about?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600629" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600629">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean all of them, but realistically you can just pull out the sha anyway for them right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600658" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600658">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I don't think it's important, happy to sign off on this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600762" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600762">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="thumbs up" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="thumbs up">:thumbs_up:</span> then!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600775" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600775">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215600776" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215600776">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to bring up?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if you're ready to end the meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215601160" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215601160">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's it then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215601168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215601168">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>have a good week!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting%202020-11-04/near/215601170" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/242791-t-infra/topic/meeting.202020-11-04.html#215601170">(Nov 04 2020 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>\o</p>



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